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Shoulder Girdle continued... by NemoNova Shoulder Girdle continued... by NemoNova
some extra random notes concerning the shoulder girdle's muscles and mass forms. This is medium level detail considering you could choose to draw every muscle fiber, but less is most often more. Sometimes just hinting at these forms is best, but to do that effectively you gotta know them pretty darn well. 

Enjoy! I believe the next tutorial will be about elbows and knees, b/c those are tough for a lot of folks. still, I NEED SUGGESTIONS! What do you wanna see? 

special thanks to  NovaCatTrueborn for saying that a more muscle focused tutorial would help. (See! I do listen to ur comments.)  
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kukuro-kun Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you so much!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem. I hope you found it helpful. 
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kukuro-kun Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It does, thank you for sharing and I hope there are more awesome tutorials to come! ;D
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BaraaChan Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2015
nice one
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Dmitriev0 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Can you show the different kinds of shapes muscle can have due to genetics?
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do you mean body types and proportions? 
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Dmitriev0 Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No, specific muscles such as abs, pecs, calves, etc. For example google Zyzz and Ulisses Jr thrn you'll see that they have different abs genetics. Zyzz has very rare kurdish abs, while the other one has a 8-pack which isn't as usual as the classical 6-pack.
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slickery247 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If your still looking for help on this topic, I'm pretty sure Proko (youtube channel) made a video about abs and he covered different shapes.
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Dmitriev0 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks a lot for that, his in-depth videos are great.
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slickery247 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad I could help!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
interesting. I'll look into it. 
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tcarroll12 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I'd like to see a tutorial on how to foreshorten certain things like arms and legs! (for example, I see the forearm as a kind of cone shape, the top is the wrist and the base is the elbow cos it gets wider at the elbow like that... but in perspective, things should get smaller as they go back. So how to determine how much to slim that cone to give perspective?)
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
that actually depends on how much foreshortening you want. They serve different dramatic purposes. 

example: you've got the four "masses" of the arm--> hand, Forearm, bicep/tricep, shoulder. 
                     Normal foreshortening has things getting smaller as they move from the camera at a 1 to 2 ratio. That means that objects in the front would be getting smaller by half each unit of measurement back. So a hand is a certain size on a page to start, if you moved it back one step towards the vanishing point it would be half that size on paper, and then again and again the further you go back.

This looks natural.

Extreme perspective happens when you increase the ratio i.e. 1 to 3, or more.  

But don't worry much about drawing body parts in perspective. You gotta practice drawing 3D cubes, cylinders and rectangular solids in deep perspective b/c these are the base shapes you're working with. 
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tcarroll12 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
Sorry to be pestering you so much, but I've another quick question. What exactly determines when the infra-terra triad is shown or when it is the scapula showing? (4th set of drawings, where you describe the trapezius as a dagger)
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A lot of different things determine that in real life. Probably the most important are what's closer to the camera or closer to the focal point of your picture should be emphasized. After that it has more to do with the development of your character. Strong characters will have muscles that balloon out, but the bones always stay the same size so they'll be like canyons between them. The scapula, therefore, would be primary is drawing a thin/emaciated person. 

For example: a thin wristed man, no matter how much he lifts, will have the same size wrist. Bones, when one is an adult, can't get bigger with exercise.... though they can get more dense= stronger.



 
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tcarroll12 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I remember the figure drawing teacher at my uni saying the thing about the bones! Aah. You are so knowledgeable.
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Darknoor Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
How to learn all this? Seems like it can take me forever to draw since I need to know all that!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a whole life process. I'm 29 and nowhere near finished. 
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Darknoor Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I am almost 24... OMG u gave me hope D: I thought u were around 18!
But still.. it will take a lot of work. I will try to do my best, u too all the best ^_^ artist!
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mangerzpk Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Read MICHAEL HAMPTON. he simplyfied the forms. and i recommend you  learn all the muscles.. 1 by  1.. all them that affect the surface
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Darknoor Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That seems like too much especially for a lazy .. me..
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Tigershark06 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Another one I will be borrowing from.  Thanks again!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
anything else you'd like to see a tutorial on? 
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Tigershark06 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Have you ever done extreme perspectives?  Like floor up shots... I've been looking for good ref's tutorials for that and there isn't a lot to choose from.
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alright, I'll do that next. I'll even explain what happens in a camera to make that happen and when it's good to use in a story.

-->My cinema friends can maybe help with that. 
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Tigershark06 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Cool... Lemme give you a follow so I know when you get it up and thanks.
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Most excellent.
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Tigershark06 Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:D
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gyappumusoka Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Your tutorials are fantastically well done, and just what I, and surely many others, are looking for to help them maintain a good control over anatomy and angles in general.
Thank you very much!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm happy I could help. I'm wondering about the subject for the next tutorial. I have some tricks for colouring/painting/lighting. Maybe that. 

What would you like to see? 
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gyappumusoka Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd love to see you make a Lighting/shading tutorial from different perspectives, if you could. Thanks again for the support!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Most excellent. I'm working on it now.
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Wooozle-Woo Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2015   Filmographer
this took me hundreds of reference pictures to piece together on my own. thanks so much!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sometimes all it takes is some colour coding. lol
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MikeMS Featured By Owner May 26, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for cool tutorial!
But, it looks like in a 4 row at right pic is an error with the teres major? Or I`m wrong? It must go under triceps, like on your other pics...
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, and thanks for catching my mistake. I've made the change. 
---> Good call :). It's very appreciated. 
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MikeMS Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
;) (Wink) Beer Ching 
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ghost-nerdy Featured By Owner May 8, 2015
Thank you this was very helpful
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dudgus2429 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015
awesome!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thanks :). Happy to help
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UZUMASHI Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
It's really helpful thanks a lot :)
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem. Happy to help how I can. 
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MeaninglessTheories Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you so much for this! I've been struggling with getting shoulders right for what feels like forever, and this has been incredibly helpful. I really feel like i understand much more now! :)
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks. That's what it's all about: knowing a little more and being able to do a little more today than yesterday.

I'm happy to have helped. 
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Krazzulimaii Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks a ton for this! This is just the right jumping off point I need to continue progressing my art!
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Cool. I'm happy I could help. 
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Krazzulimaii Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
One year later, and I can say this tutorial has helped me immensely. I have yet to find another tutorial so clear and easy to understand, yet detailed enough to be useful. It's helped me improve my art, and I thank you for it.
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NemoNova Featured By Owner 21 hours ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's very good to hear. Thank you so much for saying so. The views and favs are nice, but comments like these are what really feels rewarding :D
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Iuli-Dia Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015  Student Filmographer
very nice 
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NemoNova Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks, I'm glad you like it :)
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